Is anyone else disappointed by macOS 26?

Andrew


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Is anyone else disappointed by macOS 26?

I wouldn't say disappointed, but I've come across some odd issues with the mouse clicks acting like they are stuck....

Also do not like how stuff are transparent behind the menu buttons of an application.

Otherwise, it's okay.

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Is anyone else disappointed by macOS 26?

I like it - but I'm extremely upset that Launchpad [??] is gone. I wish the new spotlight thingy could be on a keybind and my 'Windows' key still opened Launchpad app icons like before...

I really wish they'd make this an option, at least.



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I like it - but I'm extremely upset that Launchpad [??] is gone. I wish
the new spotlight thingy could be on a keybind and my 'Windows' key
still opened Launchpad app icons like before...

Yeah, I hate that launchpad is gone too. The liquid glass looks ugly imo.
the rounded windows are getting too round, and the dialog boxes look like
they belong on an iphone not a computer. The menu background being
completely transparent... i was really happy with sonoma, but i guess i
can't roll back and reinstalling it would be a pain.

Oh well. I should have known - really regretting buying a mac now - but I
need it for substance painter. Setting up freebsd as my daily computer
and just using the mac for substance painter etc.

Andrew

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Hello apam!

** On Sunday 21.09.25 - 00:19, apam wrote to paulie420:

[...] The liquid glass looks ugly imo. the rounded windows
are getting too round, and the dialog boxes look like they
belong on an iphone not a computer. The menu background
being completely transparent... i was really happy with
sonoma, but i guess i can't roll back and reinstalling it
would be a pain.

Being curious what this new term "liquid glass" was all about,
I checked a view review videos. Seems to be nothing more than
another term for transparency that linux has offered for years.

Oh well. I should have known - really regretting buying a
mac now - but I need it for substance painter. Setting up
freebsd as my daily computer and just using the mac for
substance painter etc.

I heard that not all existing 3rd party programs are ready for
Tahoe 26.



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Being curious what this new term "liquid glass" was all about,
I checked a view review videos. Seems to be nothing more than
another term for transparency that linux has offered for years.

Not exactly. mac OS has had transparency for years too - I would dare say before linux, as I remember it with Mac OS X, prior to Linux using
compositors (remembering fake terminal transparency on linux was all the
rage ;)

Liquid Glass is more the overall style I'd say, which uses transparency heavily.

Andrew


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on my macbook air i do miss launchpad.


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Re: Re: macOS 26
By: apam to paulie420 on Sun Sep 21 2025 12:19 am

Oh well. I should have known - really regretting buying a mac now - but I need it for substance painter. Setting up freebsd as my daily computer and just using the mac for substance painter etc.

I think Apple makes some good hardware, though overall I'm not big into Apple.. I don't really like their limited offerings & limited upgradability with the Mac and Apple's desire to control a lot of things.. I've heard macOS Catalina nad later requires software to be 'notarized' in order to install it - that seems like it might be a hurdle that limits what software you can install on it. Normally I try to make good common-sense decisions about the software I install, and I generally don't have an issue. Also, if you want to develop iOS apps, you need to have a Mac, because the software needed to develop & build iOS apps (XCode) only runs on a Mac.

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things.. I've heard macOS Catalina nad later requires software to be 'notarized' in order to install it - that seems like it might be a
hurdle that limits what software you can install on it. Normally I try

Sort of, you can still install unsigned programs, but it's a bit of a
pain. If you were to sell mac os apps your customers would expect them to
be signed, but a lot of open souurce stuff doesn't get signed - it costs
the developer money for a developer subscription that allows them to sign
their apps.

I think Apple makes some good hardware, though overall I'm not big into Apple.. I don't really like their limited offerings & limited

I'm not especially moved by the hard ware, it's ok, but I bought a mac
for the OS. I can no longer tolerate windows, and mac os was a good
compromise between being able to run proprietary applications, and having
a unix like base.

I gurss I'll get used to the ugly tahoe UI and the launcher gone.

Andrew


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Re: Re: macOS 26
By: apam to Nightfox on Mon Sep 22 2025 10:15 pm

things.. I've heard macOS Catalina nad later requires software to be
'notarized' in order to install it - that seems like it might be a hurdle
that limits what software you can install on it. Normally I try

Sort of, you can still install unsigned programs, but it's a bit of a pain. If you were to sell mac os apps your customers would expect them to be signed, but a lot of open souurce stuff doesn't get signed - it costs the developer money for a developer subscription that allows them to sign their apps.

Interesting.. Also, at least for Windows, I've seen a lot of software that isn't open-source but is freeware or shareware that you can just download and use. Is there a lot of such freeware for Mac? And I imagine that would have the same trouble as open-source, especially since freeware developers wouldn't be making money from it. Or maybe since it costs money now to sign Mac apps, I imagine there just might not be any freeware developers for Mac? I think that would be a bummer.. Although I might want to make money from some projects, sometimes I feel like I'd want to make a piece of software and offer it as freeware for anyone to download and use.

I'm not especially moved by the hard ware, it's ok, but I bought a mac for the OS. I can no longer tolerate windows, and mac os was a good compromise between being able to run proprietary applications, and having a unix like base.

Yeah, that's another thing, I wouldn't mind seeing Mac OS be available for any computer, but I understand why Apple wants to limit it for their own hardware.

I mainly stick with Windows due to some software that I don't think there's a good equivalent for in another OS - especially PC games, which I enjoy. I've considered switching away from Windows though, and I'd probably to with Linux Mint - That's a UNIX-like base, and it runs on any PC.

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Interesting.. Also, at least for Windows, I've seen a lot of software
that isn't open-source but is freeware or shareware that you can just download and use. Is there a lot of such freeware for Mac? And I
imagine that would have the same trouble as open-source, especially
since freeware developers wouldn't be making money from it. Or maybe

Yeah, there's a bit of freeware / shareware for mac os, not as much as on windows, but I'd say thats more to do with the market share than
anything. Some things, notably Strawberry (a fork of clementine music
player) their mac os and windows builds are behind patreon, apparently
this was because it cost money to sign the app, but i paid the patreon, downloaded the build.. and it was not signed.

Still, for those who use a lot of opensource stuff, I would say they
would be resonably tech savvy, so all you need to do when you want to
allow a non signed app to run on your mac is go into privacy and security
in settings and click "Run anyway" and then enter your password. Then
it's marked as allowed and you can run it as normal - at least until you
update it.

Yeah, that's another thing, I wouldn't mind seeing Mac OS be available
for any computer, but I understand why Apple wants to limit it for
their own hardware.

It was for a breif period, but that was in the power pc days. But yeah,
they like to control everything - I remember some mac clones, i forget
the name though.

which I enjoy. I've considered switching away from Windows though, and
I'd probably to with Linux Mint - That's a UNIX-like base, and it runs
on any PC.

It is, I was running debian before I bought my mac, it runs ok. I have
been running linux off and on since about 98 or 99. I remember installing slackware from floppy disks haha. Linux these days I think has lost
something for me, I'm not sure what, but it seems to be going in
directions I don't particularly like, and seems to be less stable than
before - likely due to the distros I use, but everything seems to have
it's own issues. Last one was firefox continually crashing on debian.

I'm using FreeBSD at present, and that has been great.

Andrew

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that isn't open-source but is freeware or shareware that you can just download and use. Is there a lot of such freeware for Mac? And I

I have an Air with an M3, 16 gig and I really like it, I use brew on my Mac to install most of the software I use on it. I also have a couple of Debian laptops but I use the my mac for most development.

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Re: Re: macOS 26
By: apam to Nightfox on Tue Sep 23 2025 01:25 am

Still, for those who use a lot of opensource stuff, I would say they would be resonably tech savvy, so all you need to do when you want to allow a non signed app to run on your mac is go into privacy and security in settings and click "Run anyway" and then enter your password. Then it's marked as allowed and you can run it as normal - at least until you update it.

That sounds sort of like what Windows does soemtimes - Sometimes when I download a new program or new version of a program, Windows will say it "protected" my PC by not allowing it to run, but then I can click Advanced (or something) and tell it to run it anyway.

Yeah, that's another thing, I wouldn't mind seeing Mac OS be available for
any computer, but I understand why Apple wants to limit it for their own
hardware.

It was for a breif period, but that was in the power pc days. But yeah, they like to control everything - I remember some mac clones, i forget the name though.

I remember the Mac Clones - I seem to remember Motorola made some, as well as Power Computing.

More recently, people were making "hackintosh" Macs when they were using Intel processors, but it looks like people won't be able to do that anymore with their newer M processors.

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Re: Re: macOS 26
By: apam to paulie420 on Sun Sep 21 2025 12:19 am

Howdy,

I like it - but I'm extremely upset that Launchpad [??] is gone. I wish the new spotlight thingy could be on a keybind and my 'Windows' key
still opened Launchpad app icons like before...

Yeah, I hate that launchpad is gone too. The liquid glass looks ugly imo. the rounded windows are getting too round, and the dialog boxes look like they belong on an iphone not a computer. The menu background being completely transparent... i was really happy with sonoma, but i guess i can't roll back and reinstalling it would be a pain.

Just catching up on some mail, and I didnt even know that a new MacOS was out.

I've been a long time MAC user and I had to even look up what this "launchpad" thing was that you guys were referring to. And then I went ahh... I've never used it, so I'm not missing it.

I agree the rounded corners are too round, but otherwise I dont mind it so far - although I've only been playing with it for 30 mins...


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apam wrote to All <=-

Is anyone else disappointed by macOS 26?

Only until I found some leftover "migrated to new machines over
the years" stuff that was choking it. After a couple of days,
though, the hiccups have subsided!


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paulie420 wrote to apam <=-

Is anyone else disappointed by macOS 26?

I like it - but I'm extremely upset that Launchpad [??] is gone. I wish the new spotlight thingy could be on a keybind and my 'Windows' key
still opened Launchpad app icons like before...

I really wish they'd make this an option, at least.

Something I immediately noticed was my shortcuts are no longer in
the bar at the top. But the three that are MOST used I just put
on the dock, so no biggy. :-)



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apam wrote to paulie420 <=-

I like it - but I'm extremely upset that Launchpad [??] is gone. I wish
the new spotlight thingy could be on a keybind and my 'Windows' key
still opened Launchpad app icons like before...

Yeah, I hate that launchpad is gone too. The liquid glass looks ugly
imo. the rounded windows are getting too round, and the dialog boxes
look like they belong on an iphone not a computer.

That's the whole point - making the OS's more like each other...

The menu background
being completely transparent... i was really happy with sonoma, but i guess i can't roll back and reinstalling it would be a pain.

For people like me that continue to run Mac (and enjoy it) I would have
to upgrade eventually... So went ahead and did it. No regrets.

Oh well. I should have known - really regretting buying a mac now - but
I need it for substance painter. Setting up freebsd as my daily
computer and just using the mac for substance painter etc.

Ford/Chevy/Dodge... I love Mac. :-)



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Ogg wrote to apam <=-

I heard that not all existing 3rd party programs are ready for
Tahoe 26.

True, but it's not as drastic as times in the past when major
OS updates were made...



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Nightfox wrote to apam <=-

Re: Re: macOS 26
By: apam to paulie420 on Sun Sep 21 2025 12:19 am

Oh well. I should have known - really regretting buying a mac now - but I need it for substance painter. Setting up freebsd as my daily computer and just using the mac for substance painter etc.

I think Apple makes some good hardware, though overall I'm not big into Apple.. I don't really like their limited offerings & limited upgradability with the Mac and Apple's desire to control a lot of
things.. I've heard macOS Catalina nad later requires software to be 'notarized' in order to install it - that seems like it might be a
hurdle that limits what software you can install on it.

Just an extra step to install, but still runs. It just means it's not
'signed off on' by Apple, and you are acknowledging that you are doing something not 100% supported.


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Nightfox wrote to apam <=-

Interesting.. Also, at least for Windows, I've seen a lot of software that isn't open-source but is freeware or shareware that you can just download and use. Is there a lot of such freeware for Mac?

Oh yeah! I'm happy to share my little 'terminal file' that I use for
setting up staff machines here...


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Re: Re: macOS 26
By: jimmylogan to Nightfox on Wed Sep 24 2025 07:34 am

things.. I've heard macOS Catalina nad later requires software to be
'notarized' in order to install it - that seems like it might be a hurdle
that limits what software you can install on it.

Just an extra step to install, but still runs. It just means it's not 'signed off on' by Apple, and you are acknowledging that you are doing something not 100% supported.

Yeah, from what I've heard now, that's the way it sounds, and I suppose that's not too bad. Windows does something similar sometimes.

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On 23 Sep 2025 at 01:25a, apam pondered and said...

Still, for those who use a lot of opensource stuff, I would say they
would be resonably tech savvy, so all you need to do when you want to allow a non signed app to run on your mac is go into privacy and security in settings and click "Run anyway" and then enter your password. Then
it's marked as allowed and you can run it as normal - at least until you update it.

That is sort of annoying. For a lot of the command-line-y type stuff
I run, homebrew does me well, however, without all the hassle.

It was for a breif period, but that was in the power pc days. But yeah, they like to control everything - I remember some mac clones, i forget
the name though.

People also got macOS to book on off-brand x86 hardware when Apple
was still Intel Inside(TM). I never bothered.

It is, I was running debian before I bought my mac, it runs ok. I have been running linux off and on since about 98 or 99. I remember installing slackware from floppy disks haha. Linux these days I think has lost something for me, I'm not sure what, but it seems to be going in directions I don't particularly like, and seems to be less stable than before - likely due to the distros I use, but everything seems to have it's own issues. Last one was firefox continually crashing on debian.

I'm using FreeBSD at present, and that has been great.

Linux is ... ok. It's got a huge amount of mind share behind it, but
I don't think it's all that great. The kernel is complex and bloated,
and while some parts of it are very, very good, other parts of just
plain bad. The overall experience of using it gives the impression
that it works best on the developers' laptops.

FreeBSD is ok, but similarly too bloated for my tastes. OpenBSD
probably the closest experience to using 4.xBSD on a timesharing
machine back in the day, but always seems to lag behind in terms
of hardware and third-party software support.

I still use a Mac as my workstation. It just works.

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Just an extra step to install, but still runs. It just means it's not 'signed off on' by Apple, and you are acknowledging that you are doing something not 100% supported.

Not really, it means it isn't signed off by a registered developer. I'm
fairly certain Apple doesn't vet individual programs unless they are
submitted to the app store.

By registering as a developer means you can't really write malware and
sign it, because they'd know who you are. (and it costs a bit of money to register - it's probably gone up, but last time I registered it was 100$
for a year).

Andrew


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That is sort of annoying. For a lot of the command-line-y type stuff
I run, homebrew does me well, however, without all the hassle.

Yeah, I use mac ports for the same thing, it works well. Though I don't
really know how the binaries run (unless they're all signed) I know if
you build from source it's fine, but most of the packages in mac ports
are prebuilt.

People also got macOS to book on off-brand x86 hardware when Apple
was still Intel Inside(TM). I never bothered.

Yes, I was really refering to people doing it with apple's blessing. The hackintosh thing was never approved by apple.

Linux is ... ok. It's got a huge amount of mind share behind it, but
I don't think it's all that great. The kernel is complex and bloated,
and while some parts of it are very, very good, other parts of just
plain bad. The overall experience of using it gives the impression
that it works best on the developers' laptops.

Yes, I agree with this - and that's just the kernel. I don't like a lot
of whats been happening in the userland space either, a lot of it seems
to be remaking things for the sake of remaking things rather than any
actual improvement, and the remakes are not as polished as the originals.
Sure they will be in time, but why?

FreeBSD is ok, but similarly too bloated for my tastes. OpenBSD
probably the closest experience to using 4.xBSD on a timesharing
machine back in the day, but always seems to lag behind in terms
of hardware and third-party software support.

Yeah, freebsd has a lot in it these days, but it's the best compromise I
think openbsd is nice, but it doesn't do all the things I need. FreeBSD
seems to just work in my case.

I still use a Mac as my workstation. It just works.

:)

Andrew


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Oh well. I should have known - really regretting buying a mac now - but I need it for substance painter. Setting up freebsd as my daily computer
and just using the mac for substance painter etc.

It doesn't bug me THAT much - but yea... I hear your issues w/ it. Apple won't, but I wish they would have gave us an OPTION to toggle the things...



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I like it - but I'm extremely upset that Launchpad [??] is gone. I wish the new spotlight thingy could be on a keybind and my 'Windows' key
still opened Launchpad app icons like before...

Oh.. is it gone? Fantastic. I was always unpinning it from my dock as one of the first things. I'm all about spotlight to get to my apps in the quickest way!

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Re: Re: macOS 26
By: apam to jimmylogan on Wed Sep 24 2025 11:08 pm

By registering as a developer means you can't really write malware and sign it, because they'd know who you are. (and it costs a bit of money to register - it's probably gone up, but last time I registered it was 100$ for a year).

Sort of related and also not - Years ago, I had a job interview where the interviewer asked me what I thought about Linux (I tend to like Linux). He said he thought that since Linux is open-source, anyone could probably go in and put malware into Linux; on the other hand, Windows is developed by a small team of people who are paid (and thus motivated) to make Windows a good and secure operating system. At first I didn't know if he was trolling me, but I think he was being serious.

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Sort of related and also not - Years ago, I had a job interview where
the interviewer asked me what I thought about Linux (I tend to like
Linux). He said he thought that since Linux is open-source, anyone
could probably go in and put malware into Linux; on the other hand,
Windows is developed by a small team of people who are paid (and thus motivated) to make Windows a good and secure operating system. At
first I didn't know if he was trolling me, but I think he was being
serious.

Well people have done exactly that. It's why they have code reviewing
processes by maintainers, but there's nothing stopping people trying, and
they have succeded, just look at the XZ issue a while ago.

I also remember a university deliberatly submitting patches to the kernel
to introduce malware - it was for "research purposes" I guess to see if
they could. They got caught though and banned from submitting patches.

But yes, anyone can put malware into stuff, if it's a disgruntled
employee on a small team or some person x submitting a PR

But really who knows if linus is not an evil hacker in truth putting back
doors in linux.. we know because a) he has a good reputation and b) the
code can be viewed and audited.

Your interviewer isn't wrong, as most people don't have the time or
skillset to audit opensource software, so I guess it comes down to trust.
Who do you trust more?

Andrew


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Sort of related and also not - Years ago, I had a job interview where the interviewer asked me what I thought about Linux (I tend to like Linux).
He said he thought that since Linux is open-source, anyone could
probably go in and put malware into Linux; on the other hand, Windows is developed by a small team of people who are paid (and thus motivated) to make Windows a good and secure operating system. At first I didn't know if he was trolling me, but I think he was being serious.

I've heard the same thing around 15 years ago. My prior co-worker felt the same way, and he was one of those guys that felt he was always right, even if you presented facts. Didn't matter if it was computer or something else.

Just one of those kind of people.

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On 24 Sep 2025 at 08:09p, Nightfox pondered and said...

Sort of related and also not - Years ago, I had a job interview where the interviewer asked me what I thought about Linux (I tend to like Linux).
He said he thought that since Linux is open-source, anyone could
probably go in and put malware into Linux; on the other hand, Windows is developed by a small team of people who are paid (and thus motivated) to make Windows a good and secure operating system. At first I didn't know if he was trolling me, but I think he was being serious.

Supply-chain attacks are very real. The counter-argument would
be that, with open source and public code review, there is at
least the possibility of auditing code to find them. Without
knowing more about the engineering processes at Microsoft, it's
impossible to know just how susceptible they may be to such
things: maybe less, but maybe more, in that if an engineer can
bypass the review process and get a bit of code submitted into
a little-modified subsystem, it could lurk for years without
anyone noticing. The same _may_ be true of Linux, but it is
qualitatively different in that there would be no easy way for
someone outside of Microsoft to find it.

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On 25 Sep 2025 at 03:57a, apam pondered and said...

But really who knows if linus is not an evil hacker in truth putting back doors in linux.. we know because a) he has a good reputation and b) the code can be viewed and audited.

I don't think anyone's seriously worried about that, specifically.

I think people are more worried about him getting hit by a bus
while crossing the street: what becomes of Linux once Linus is
gone? For that matter, what do you do if he has a midlife crisis
and leaves to go live on a hippy commune somewhere and vows to
never touch technology again? In a lot of ways that situation is
worse: there may be a clear plan for what happens if he dies or
is medically incapacitated, but there are probably some weird IP
entanglements that are a lot messier if he just walks away.

What is more worrying, and what _should_ be more worrying, are all
of the many, many blobs of closed-source firmware that run before,
during, and after your main OS. That's the obvious place to inject
supply chain stuff these days.

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Interesting.. Also, at least for Windows, I've seen a lot of software that isn't open-source but is freeware or shareware that you can just download and use. Is there a lot of such freeware for Mac? And I

Yes. I personally don't have any pay apps and I don't install things through the App Store. I always just download the zipped up apps. As for open source stuff, you install 'homebrew' along with the xcode command line tools, and then you can build whatever. On top of that, there's a thing called Multipass that lets you spin up Linux environments super fast. If there's something MacOS can't do, you can probably do it in one of those instead.

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the same way, and he was one of those guys that felt he was always
right, even if you presented facts. Didn't matter if it was computer or

I resemble that remark ;). What if the presented facts just don't change the (strong) opinion? Happens to me a lot. People be like "But, facts!" and I'm like "ya, so? Could still happen."

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By: apam to Nightfox[U on Thu Sep 25 2025 03:57 am

He said he thought that since Linux is open-source, anyone could probably
go in and put malware into Linux; on the other hand, Windows is developed

Well people have done exactly that. It's why they have code reviewing processes by maintainers, but there's nothing stopping people trying, and they have succeded, just look at the XZ issue a while ago.

I also remember a university deliberatly submitting patches to the kernel to introduce malware - it was for "research purposes" I guess to see if they could. They got caught though and banned from submitting patches.

Your interviewer isn't wrong, as most people don't have the time or skillset to audit opensource software, so I guess it comes down to trust. Who do you trust more?

I thought there were a lot of people working on Linux, including reviewing code submittals (which should be part of the process). I didn't know any of it got through, though as you said, that university you mentioned tried to submit malware and failed.. At any rate, Linux has been relativly successful and is used by many servers on the internet; I think something is being done right with it. There must be enough people around the world who have the time who are working on it..

Nightfox
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