• Re: Thin Client Pc To Run

    From MIKE POWELL@VERT/CAPCITY2/UUMOES to GAMGEE on Wed Jan 14 08:28:00 2026
    You should probably get those 5.25's copied off and archived somewhere
    more safe/stable. Those floppies WILL eventually fail and be
    unreadable.

    I actually think they already are, but it would not hurt to do it again to
    be sure.
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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to MIKE POWELL on Thu Jan 15 08:15:44 2026
    MIKE POWELL wrote to GAMGEE <=-

    You should probably get those 5.25's copied off and archived somewhere
    more safe/stable. Those floppies WILL eventually fail and be
    unreadable.

    I actually think they already are, but it would not hurt to do it again
    to be sure.

    Seconded - I found an old floppy with my registered versions of Qedit,
    Timed and Global War, and copied them from the 3.5" (remember when they
    were called "microfloppies"?) to my hard drive. It took a lot of sector re-reads, but I was able to get most everything copied. Thankfully, the
    only sectors that failed contained one of the text files and I was able
    to recover most of it.

    If I'd waited much longer, I might have lost more.




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  • From fusion@VERT/CFBBS to poindexter FORTRAN on Thu Jan 15 13:25:00 2026
    On 15 Jan 2026, poindexter FORTRAN said the following...

    re-reads, but I was able to get most everything copied. Thankfully, the only sectors that failed contained one of the text files and I was able
    to recover most of it.

    eek. i just had to do this recently too. on linux ddrescue worked pretty well

    i occasionally get stuff from eBay.. things i wished i had back in the day. thankfully most of it has already been imaged to the internet, but it does feel weird saving a disk you know is bad.. at least if you get one good rip out of it you can pretend they're good if you never touch them again ;)

    why would you want to do this? no idea.. i suppose it's like the people who pirate games and then buy them years later on steam. *shrug*

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to poindexter FORTRAN on Thu Jan 15 11:48:37 2026
    Re: Re: Thin Client Pc To Run
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to MIKE POWELL on Thu Jan 15 2026 08:15 am

    Seconded - I found an old floppy with my registered versions of Qedit, Timed and Global War, and copied them from the 3.5" (remember when they were called "microfloppies"?) to my hard drive.

    I don't recall hearing anyone call them "microfloppies". But it seems there is some confusion about their name, especially today as most people haven't used them in a while - I've seen some posts online where people try to say the 3.5" discs weren't floppy disks because they were hard/rigid.. I think those people might be people too young to have used them though.

    Nightfox

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  • From Bf2k+@VERT/TACOPRON to poindexter FORTRAN on Thu Jan 15 17:41:53 2026
    Re: Re: Thin Client Pc To Run
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to MIKE POWELL on Thu Jan 15 2026 08:15 am

    Seconded - I found an old floppy with my registered versions of Qedit,
    Timed and Global War, and copied them from the 3.5" (remember when they
    were called "microfloppies"?) to my hard drive. It took a lot of sector re-reads, but I was able to get most everything copied. Thankfully, the
    only sectors that failed contained one of the text files and I was able
    to recover most of it.

    Funny thing... my 5.25" disks are MUCH more reliable than the 3.5" ones.

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Bf2k+ on Thu Jan 15 22:05:16 2026
    Re: Re: Thin Client Pc To Run
    By: Bf2k+ to poindexter FORTRAN on Thu Jan 15 2026 05:41 pm

    a lot of sector re-reads, but I was able to get most everything
    copied. Thankfully, the only sectors that failed contained one of
    the text files and I was able to recover most of it.

    Funny thing... my 5.25" disks are MUCH more reliable than the 3.5"
    ones.

    i think that's a universal truth. i never had a bad 5.25 disk. i've had
    many 3.5's.

    i think they make older stuff more sturdy and reliable and then they work on making it as cheap as possible and still be functional.
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  • From Denn@VERT/OUTWEST to Nightfox on Thu Jan 15 20:38:05 2026
    Re: Re: Thin Client Pc To Run
    By: Nightfox to poindexter FORTRAN on Thu Jan 15 2026 11:48 am


    I don't recall hearing anyone call them "microfloppies". But it seems there is some confusion about their name, especially today as most people haven't used them in a while - I've seen some posts online where people try to say the 3.5" discs weren't floppy disks because they were hard/rigid.. I think those people might be people too young to have used them though.

    Yep, those of us that lived in that era know them as 3.5 floppies, if you take the hard casing off it will still flop aroound :)

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  • From fusion@VERT/CFBBS to Nightfox on Fri Jan 16 09:09:00 2026
    On 15 Jan 2026, Nightfox said the following...

    Re: Re: Thin Client Pc To Run
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to MIKE POWELL on Thu Jan 15 2026 08:15 am

    Seconded - I found an old floppy with my registered versions of Qedit Timed and Global War, and copied them from the 3.5" (remember when th were called "microfloppies"?) to my hard drive.

    I don't recall hearing anyone call them "microfloppies". But it seems there is some confusion about their name, especially today as most
    people haven't used them in a while - I've seen some posts online where people try to say the 3.5" discs weren't floppy disks because they were hard/rigid.. I think those people might be people too young to have
    used them though.

    http://floppy.museum/35inch.htm

    it'd be interesting if it were possible to get logs from that Microfloppy Industry Committee .. see if they debated ditching the word "floppy" entirely. maybe they though computers were already confusing enough for people and didn't want to add even more lingo. (or confuse hard disks with "regular disks" or something)

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  • From fusion@VERT/CFBBS to Bf2k+ on Fri Jan 16 09:16:00 2026
    On 15 Jan 2026, Bf2k+ said the following...

    Funny thing... my 5.25" disks are MUCH more reliable than the 3.5" ones.

    this isn't quite fair. the companies manufacturing them were in their absolute peak and nearly every disk was perfect in every way. early production 3.5" disks were very similar. 3.5" was allowed to both degrade in quality and prestige over time.. there wasn't incentive to make the same quality and they started including junk like plastic shudders

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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to fusion on Fri Jan 16 08:16:13 2026
    fusion wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

    i occasionally get stuff from eBay.. things i wished i had back in the day.

    What's the point of growing older if you can't buy the things you
    couldn't afford as a child?




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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to Nightfox on Fri Jan 16 08:16:13 2026
    Nightfox wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

    I don't recall hearing anyone call them "microfloppies". But it seems there is some confusion about their name, especially today as most
    people haven't used them in a while - I've seen some posts online where people try to say the 3.5" discs weren't floppy disks because they were hard/rigid.. I think those people might be people too young to have
    used them though.

    8 inch floppy disks were floppies. 5 1/4" disks were mini-floppies. 3
    1/2" disks were micro-floppies, if memory serves. This would have been
    before the IBM PC, when people referred to PC-sized computers as
    "Microcomputers".

    At least, that's what you'll hear on Computer Chronicles. The suited
    guests on the show were from corporate, LAN-based companies, usually,
    might have been more marketing driven than colloquial.





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  • From Lonewolf@VERT/BINARYDR to poindexter FORTRAN on Fri Jan 16 11:22:37 2026
    Re: Re: Thin Client Pc To Run
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to fusion on Fri Jan 16 2026 08:16 am

    fusion wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

    i occasionally get stuff from eBay.. things i wished i had back in the day.

    What's the point of growing older if you can't buy the things you
    couldn't afford as a child?

    Hear, Hear, I second that motion!

    LW
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  • From Mortar@VERT/EOTLBBS to fusion on Fri Jan 16 13:27:05 2026
    Re: Re: Thin Client Pc To Run
    By: fusion to Bf2k+ on Fri Jan 16 2026 09:16:00

    The companies manufacturing them were in their absolute peak and nearly every disk was perfect in every way.

    Maybe in your corner of the world, but over here disks failed. Kodak was the worst brand I dealt with. Virtually every box had at least a couple bad disks. Ironically, the no-name, sleeve-less disks I'd get at Micro Center had better success rates.

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  • From Rob Mccart@VERT/CAPCITY2 to NIGHTFOX on Sat Jan 17 08:41:51 2026
    Seconded - I found an old floppy with my registered versions of Qedit, Timed and Global War, and copied them from the 3.5" (remember when they were called "microfloppies"?) to my hard drive.

    I don't recall hearing anyone call them "microfloppies".

    I still have a couple of original boxes of them here and they call
    them Microfloppies right on the box.

    But it seems there is
    >some confusion about their name, especially today as most people haven't used
    >em in a while - I've seen some posts online where people try to say the 3.5"
    >cs weren't floppy disks because they were hard/rigid.. I think those people
    >ht be people too young to have used them though.

    Yes, it's the disk that is floppy, not the sleeve it comes in.. B)

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Mortar on Sun Jan 18 05:54:37 2026
    Re: Re: Thin Client Pc To Run
    By: Mortar to fusion on Fri Jan 16 2026 01:27 pm

    Maybe in your corner of the world, but over here disks failed. Kodak
    was the worst brand I dealt with. Virtually every box had at least
    a couple bad disks. Ironically, the no-name, sleeve-less disks I'd
    get at Micro Center had better success rates.



    i'm just pushing 50 so i don't have a huge amount of personal at home experience with 5 1/4 disks. i did have a bunch. but i didn't have one failure compaired to many 3.5 disks which failed.

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  • From Rob Mccart@VERT/CAPCITY2 to FUSION on Sun Jan 18 09:20:12 2026
    Funny thing... my 5.25" disks are MUCH more reliable than the 3.5" ones.

    this isn't quite fair. the companies manufacturing them were in their absolut
    >eak and nearly every disk was perfect in every way. early production 3.5" dis
    >were very similar. 3.5" was allowed to both degrade in quality and prestige o
    > time.. there wasn't incentive to make the same quality and they started incl
    >ng junk like plastic shudders

    The data density was much higher on 3.5" disks which probably makes them
    more likely to be a weaker copy more prone to fail. The 5.25 disks were
    a lot bigger yet held less data so writing to them was slower and each
    bit was also more spread out making them more stable...

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Rob Mccart on Sun Jan 18 12:52:35 2026
    Re: Re: Thin Client Pc To Run
    By: Rob Mccart to FUSION on Sun Jan 18 2026 09:20 am

    The data density was much higher on 3.5" disks which probably makes them more likely to be a weaker copy more prone to fail. The 5.25 disks were a lot bigger yet held less data so writing to them was slower and each bit was also more spread out making them more stable...

    Interesting.. I'd think it would be possible to make higher-density floppy disks reliable. That seems to be the case with hard drives - There are hard drives these days that are terabytes in capacity that are reliable.

    Nightfox

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  • From Mortar@VERT/EOTLBBS to Rob Mccart on Sun Jan 18 15:38:12 2026
    Re: Re: Thin Client Pc To Run
    By: Nightfox to Rob Mccart on Sun Jan 18 2026 12:52:35

    The data density was much higher on 3.5" disks which probably makes
    them more likely to be a weaker copy more prone to fail.

    Not in my experience. Sure you had bad disks from time to time, but that's to be expected. In fact, the bulk of my 3.5" disks were no-name bundles I bought at computer stores; their failure rate wasn't any worse than name-brand versions.

    The technology to make 3.5" disks had improved over 5.25" disks. Stepper moters had more finer control, enabling them to create more tracks, along with data compression techniques.

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Mortar on Sun Jan 18 15:59:06 2026
    Re: Re: Thin Client Pc To Run
    By: Mortar to Rob Mccart on Sun Jan 18 2026 03:38 pm

    The technology to make 3.5" disks had improved over 5.25" disks. Stepper moters had more finer control, enabling them to create more tracks, along with data compression techniques.

    In the early 90s, there was a DOS program called fdformat that would format floppy disks to slightly higher capacity. I thought it was cool to have a bit more storage space on a floppy disk with that, until I found that the floppies formatted with it weren't very reliable, so I went back to formatting them with standard utilities. It was more of a software/formatting thing rather than hardware though.

    Nightfox

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Mortar on Sun Jan 18 19:15:04 2026
    Re: Re: Thin Client Pc To Run
    By: Mortar to Rob Mccart on Sun Jan 18 2026 03:38 pm

    Not in my experience. Sure you had bad disks from time to time,
    but that's to be expected. In fact, the bulk of my 3.5" disks were
    no-name bundles I bought at computer stores; their failure rate
    wasn't any worse than name-brand versions.

    The technology to make 3.5" disks had improved over 5.25" disks.
    Stepper moters had more finer control, enabling them to create
    more tracks, along with data compression techniques.



    the gameplan is to make it cheap. to companies, cheap is better.
    older stuff, especially older electronics was just made better because they didn't know how far they could stretch quality.

    now open up something that's new and you will probably see something horrible inside.
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  • From Denn@VERT/OUTWEST to Nightfox on Sun Jan 18 17:11:06 2026
    Re: Re: Thin Client Pc To Run
    By: Nightfox to Rob Mccart on Sun Jan 18 2026 12:52 pm

    The data density was much higher on 3.5" disks which probably makes
    them more likely to be a weaker copy more prone to fail. The 5.25
    disks were a lot bigger yet held less data so writing to them was
    slower and each bit was also more spread out making them more
    stable...

    Interesting.. I'd think it would be possible to make higher-density floppy disks reliable. That seems to be the case with hard drives - There are hard drives these days that are terabytes in capacity that are reliable.

    The floppy drives could've and should've been improved upon, I had an Iomege zip drive that could handle 250 mb disk's that was more reliable than the 3.5 720k DD and the 1.44 HD disks.
    I think they had 100MB, 250MB, and 750MD disks.

    Denn

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  • From phigan@VERT/TACOPRON to poindexter FORTRAN on Mon Jan 19 03:54:17 2026
    Re: Re: Thin Client Pc To Run
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to MIKE POWELL on Thu Jan 15 2026 08:15 am

    Timed and Global War, and copied them from the 3.5" (remember when they

    I think the 3.5s are likely to "go bad" sooner due to density. Physically larger disks with lower capacity should theoretically last longer than the smaller floppies with higher capacity.

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  • From phigan@VERT/TACOPRON to fusion on Mon Jan 19 03:59:43 2026
    Re: Re: Thin Client Pc To Run
    By: fusion to Nightfox on Fri Jan 16 2026 09:09 am

    people try to say the 3.5" discs weren't floppy disks because they wer

    didn't want to add even more lingo. (or confuse hard disks with "regular disks" or something)

    People were already incorrectly calling them hard disks bitd, too :).

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  • From phigan@VERT/TACOPRON to Nightfox on Mon Jan 19 04:05:15 2026
    Re: Re: Thin Client Pc To Run
    By: Nightfox to Rob Mccart on Sun Jan 18 2026 12:52 pm

    disks reliable. That seems to be the case with hard drives - There are har drives these days that are terabytes in capacity that are reliable.

    You're talking about solid platters vs wobbly plastic sheets :)

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  • From Denn@VERT/OUTWEST to phigan on Mon Jan 19 08:37:27 2026
    Re: Re: Thin Client Pc To Run
    By: phigan to poindexter FORTRAN on Mon Jan 19 2026 03:54 am

    Timed and Global War, and copied them from the 3.5" (remember when
    they

    I think the 3.5s are likely to "go bad" sooner due to density. Physically larger disks with lower capacity should theoretically last longer than the smaller floppies with higher capacity.

    The biggest problem with the 3.5 was.

    Limited Capacity & Speed: They held very little data (typically 1.44MB) and were incredibly slow for both reading and writing compared to hard drives or newer media.

    Data Corruption:
    Dust & Debris: Openings allowed dust, dirt, and even mold/fungi to enter, damaging the delicate magnetic surface and contaminating drive heads.

    Magnetic Fields: Strong magnets could easily demagnetize the data.

    Mechanical Failure: Wear and tear, especially from the read/write head physically touching the platter (head crash), could destroy data.

    Physical Vulnerability: The plastic casing and internal media were susceptible to dents, creases, and environmental factors like extreme heat or moisture.

    Media & Drive Incompatibility: Subtle differences in formatting and controller chips between computer platforms (like Apple vs. IBM) could make disks unreadable.

    I still have 3.5 floppies that I recently copied over to a hard drive, a couple of those after years of just sitting there either had corrupt files or were unreadable.



    Denn

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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to Denn on Mon Jan 19 10:12:46 2026
    Re: Re: Thin Client Pc To Run
    By: Denn to phigan on Mon Jan 19 2026 08:37 am

    Limited Capacity & Speed: They held very little data (typically 1.44MB) and were incredibly slow for both reading and writing compared to hard drives or newer media.

    Data Corruption:
    Dust & Debris: Openings allowed dust, dirt, and even mold/fungi to enter, damaging the delicate magnetic surface and contaminating drive heads.

    I think the two complement each other - low capacity means less data lost when the floppy drive inevitably fails. You didn't depend on them; I used to use the diskcopy command a lot to create backups of my traveling disk.

    Back in the days when Paper Planners roamed the earth, carried in corporate office hallways by people who had yet to have a secretary to manage their calendars, I used to carry a floppy with me in a sleeve of my planner. In it, I had our /etc/ethers file for reference, a couple of other texts, network drivers, a small editor, and a couple of utilities. I'd usually make a copy every couple of months and toss the used copy.

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  • From Denn@VERT/OUTWEST to poindexter FORTRAN on Mon Jan 19 12:23:45 2026
    Re: Re: Thin Client Pc To Run
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to Denn on Mon Jan 19 2026 10:12 am

    Limited Capacity & Speed: They held very little data (typically
    1.44MB) and were incredibly slow for both reading and writing compared
    to hard drives or newer media.

    Data Corruption:
    Dust & Debris: Openings allowed dust, dirt, and even mold/fungi to
    enter, damaging the delicate magnetic surface and contaminating drive
    heads.

    I think the two complement each other - low capacity means less data lost when the floppy drive inevitably fails. You didn't depend on them; I used to use the diskcopy command a lot to create backups of my traveling disk.

    When ever I would buy a program on a floppy, 1st thing i did was make a copy and use the copy only.
    Still have my original Clarion database developer floppies, and several games.

    Denn

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